For the Fowlers Podcast
Introducing "For the Fowlers," a new waterfowl hunting podcast based in Northern California. Our goal is to dive into every aspect of this sport we're so passionate about.
We aim to create a valuable resource for new hunters, helping them get into the sport, while also engaging experienced fowlers with our stories and those of our guests.
For the Fowlers Podcast
Inside the Gun Room: Grayson Katka of Field and Range Solutions
The wind is up, the birds are moving, and your shotgun is about to get tested. We sit down with gunsmith Grayson Katka of Field and Range Solutions, located in the back of Kittle’s Outdoor in Colusa to unpack what actually keeps a duck gun safe, reliable, and deadly when the weather turns and the hunts get real. From quick, same-day fixes to full tear-downs, Grayson explains how he diagnoses “my gun won’t cycle” the right way—firing, extraction, ejection, and feeding—so you stop guessing and start solving.
We dig into brands and platforms with a candid eye: why some designs tolerate neglect better than others, where modern guns truly improved recoil and ergonomics, and which hidden parts (like steel recoil tubes) become rust traps if you ignore them. Then we get practical about shotshells and patterns. Chasing 1450 fps can shred patterns and beat up guns; a heavier payload at 1250–1300 fps often prints cleaner and anchors birds more ethically. We talk choke choices, patterning basics, and the difference between flashy marketing and meaningful geometry.
If you hunt in the rain, this is your checklist. Grayson lays out a minimalist field kit—tiny oil, multi-tool, cotton swabs, toothpicks, and a pocket can of compressed air—and the no-drama routines that keep guns alive during season. We cover what to do after a dunk, why you should never fire through doubt, and the simple upgrades that pay off in the blind: extended controls, easier loading mods, proven choke tubes, and Cerakote finishes that protect and personalize. Most important, we make the case for shotgun fitting. Adjusting cast, drop, and length moves the pattern to your eye, tightens hits, and reduces cripples—think rifle zero for shotgunners.
You’ll also hear unforgettable shop stories—from red Loctite disasters to bulged barrels—that double as cautionary tales for anyone who hunts hard. Ready to keep your shotgun running when the birds finally show? Listen now, enter our giveaway, and if you found value here, subscribe, share with your blind crew, and leave a review to help more waterfowlers find the show.
Hey guys, this is Brandon, host of For the Fowlers. Before we dive into the new episode, I'm excited to announce our first giveaway courtesy of this episode's guest, Grayson Kotka of Field and Range Solutions. Field and Range Solutions is a full service gunsmithing operation based at Kittle's Outdoor in Calusa, California. Grayson and his team handle all types of Cerakote and gunsmithing work with great care and precision. Be sure to check them out on Instagram at Field and Range Solutions. Here's how to enter the giveaway. First, follow us on Instagram at ForTheFowlers. Second, like our post pinned at the top of our Instagram detailing this giveaway. And finally, tag at least two of your hunting buddies in the comments. Once you complete these steps, you'll be entered to win a$100 gift certificate to Field and Range Solutions, redeemable for any of their services. Shortly after we reach 500 followers, we'll randomly select a winner from the comments. Thank you again to Grayson and thank you all, the listeners, for your incredible support of For the Fowlers. Now let's get into the episode. Welcome to another episode of For the Fowlers. I'm Brandon. I'm going to be doing this one by myself, but we're bringing on a good guest here shortly. Well, guys, here it is, middle of November, and you know, we're in the middle of a pretty crazy November storm right now. This storm's been great, kind of stirring up the birds, and a lot of folks are starting to have some success out there this week, so it's been great seeing some of those pictures out on Instagram. I've been able to get out a couple times myself this past week or so, and it's been uh good to finally be knocking down some birds. You know, I was going to a couple different refuges, and you know, the kind of report from the Sacramento Valley is we're starting to see some birds out there. You know, we're seeing some widgeons, some pintail, obviously the shovelers, but I think some guys are getting pretty desperate out on the refuge because talking to a couple of the check station staff, we're getting a lot of divers checked in there. So, but yeah, you know, the fields are starting to flood up around the valley, so you know we'll start to see more and more big big ducks out there. But yeah, so hopefully everyone's having a good season so far. And you know, without further ado, let's uh bring on our guests. So coming to you live from Field and Range Solutions here in the back of Kittle's Outdoor in Calusa, California. And this week's guest is the uh owner of Field and Range Solutions, none other than gunsmith Grayson Kotka. Grayson, welcome to For the Fowlers, man. Thanks for having me. Happy to be here. Yeah. So I know we've been chatting a little bit this season. Uh you've done some work for me already, which I really appreciate. You know, you're obviously a master of your craft, but yeah, I'd love to have you on here to kind of talk a little bit about how you got into you know the practice of being a gunsmith. And, you know, but before we jump into all that technical stuff, let's hear a little bit about your background. I know, I know your story, but for the listeners here, maybe tell us a little bit about you know where you're from, where you grew up, you know, how you got into hunting, and ultimately how you ended up here as a gunsmith.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, man. I started started off with an interesting start with my grandfather being a gunsmith. Kind of had had that in the blood from the get-go. Spent some time around him and spent some time around around some other kind of influential family members growing up who were just really, really into guns in a in a wild way. My dad wasn't a total outdoorsman, fishing, hunting, everything else. Didn't hunt all that much, but was just kind of a gun guy. And then I had a grandpa married into the family who was super, super into shooting guns, the tactical stuff, and he got me really into that. Shot some competition pistol a little bit when I was younger, IDPA, and he just really instilled the love of firearms and just the technology of firearms in me. That was all up in Chico. Spent spent all my youth in Chico and then got into hunting when I was about 18, give or take. I hunted upland some when I was younger and and hunted around a little bit when I was a little bit younger than that, but nothing major, and then ended up going to gunsmithing school just after tinkering for however many years. I was like, you know what? I better I better get into this more deeply. I had a passion for it. So went to gunsmithing school after working in the retail industry, selling outdoors equipment, selling firearms, selling accessories and whatnot for for years and years at that point. Continued to work in the outdoors industry up in Susanville, Lassen College, doing the gunsmithing school, and then graduated and had a few different job opportunities, some pretty cool stuff, and ultimately decided to come on down here to Kittles and kind of start my own thing. And the rest is history.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I wanted to ask you about that that program up in, I'm sorry you said Susanville, right? That's right. Yeah. I think when I originally heard the story, it was a pretty small program, but you know, kind of one guy running it up there. How's the program going these days? Have you stayed in touch at all?
SPEAKER_01:Super, super, yeah. So actually, me and uh my employee who I'd love to talk about, his name's Dalton. He he's a more recent graduate of Lassen as well. He's working for me here, apprenticing and doing a great job in the shop. But yeah, man, the college is in a pretty, pretty tough spot right now. They're in the process of actually doing away with it. And it's the oldest college of gunsmithing in the country. And and they're they're going through some strife. So we've we've been writing letters and and doing what we can to show support for that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, let let us know and let the listeners know, you know, if there's anything that we can do to, you know, kind of keep that interest up and see if we can't save that program because we were talking about a little bit off air here. We need more gunsmiths out there, right? It's a hundred percent, man. We all know that there are plenty of opportunities, especially with some of like, you know, big box stores, if you will, that you know, they offer, you know, service, firearm service and cleaning and repair and stuff like that. But I think any of us that have gone to those, not to name any of them, but like sometimes it's just you want to go see someone who's a master of their craft. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:And that that old school approach of just walk in and talk to me, right? You know, you can just come show me what's going on. You know, I'll drop what I'm doing, give you a couple minutes and just try and figure it out with you. You know, a lot of times that's all it takes. And you know, having that one-on-one interaction, it's it's very much a trust-based industry, right? It's like a doctor or something, right? You wouldn't just trust anybody you've never seen before.
SPEAKER_00:So exactly, exactly. So, like I said, we're in the back here of Kittles, and you know, it's funny when I first met you. I said I've been coming in here for years and never knew that this you know little gunsmith area even existed. And so how um and you might have mentioned, but how long have you been operating out of here?
SPEAKER_01:We've been doing it. This will be our third duck season, so just about three years.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's awesome. Cool. Well, why don't we talk a little bit about uh what a day in the life looks like back here? You know, you mentioned obviously it's early duck season here. We're in middle November or early November. What's a day in the shop look like? You know, maybe during duck season, you know, maybe kind of three parts during duck season, but also kind of as people are hey, it's August, you know, I want to bring my gun into Grayson, or you know, for instance for me, I'm like, you know what, it's February. I'm gonna drop it off. I'll get it from you in August. So what's a day in the life look like here?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. We well, we start off, we we kind of mirror the gun room hours here at Kittles, which is 9 to 5.30, Monday through Friday. Saturdays, Kittle's gun room is open nine to five thirty as well, but it's kind of a swing day for us. So most of the time we're here in the morning, but might take off in the afternoon to go hunt or something. Yeah, we show up at nine and we just we get after it from point A to point B. There's there's just so many different people coming and going during duck season. It it's been a real blessing having Dalton around uh to kind of pick up a lot of the slack, you know, stay on task. But lots of people calling, lots of people needing parts, lots of people's stuff breaking, lots of things like stuck choke tubes, lots of things like broken off sites. These are you know ailments that that are typically pretty simply remedied, but you gotta you gotta just pick up the phone and talk to a lot of people and multitask a lot in duck season in Calusa, California is pretty wild.
SPEAKER_00:No, for sure. And I don't I don't obviously love promoting your business, but I don't want to uh overwhelm you, but please do. There's a lot of great things that you are able to do, kind of like day of. Like I've even, you know, I had an issue last season. I came in, you know, took care, I think I had that stove piping issue. We took care of one little spring, and I was out the door like you know within 20 minutes or so. So that's not always the case, but obviously, you know, swing by, come see Grayson if you're up here in the SAC valley, and you know, he'll he'll take care of you for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Appreciate that, man. Yeah, we'll always do our best for you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So obviously I mentioned a couple of issues that I've had, but what are some of the most like common repairs or issues that you see like during the season, and maybe like what do you see the most of?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, firearms operate in kind of a sequence. There's the firing sequence, the extraction sequence, the ejecting sequence, and then the feeding sequence, which we're getting all technical on people here, but basically there's there's different systems in the gun. I mean, it it most often if we're having a cycling problem, you know, which is real common, somebody just comes in and they just say, Hey, my gun's not cycling. That's a pretty broad statement, right? It could be any one of those systems not working right. It could not be firing, couldn't be extracting, could be that it's not ejecting, or not actually feeding. So something related to that is very frequently the case. Range of reasons why a lot of times, you know, it cracks cracks me up, but a lot of times the guns just flat wore out, man. You just shot the daylights out of it, which is a good reason to have your gun not work. But uh yeah, dropping it by after, you know, 10 years of hammering on it, you know, a little rebuild, and typically we can get it going again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was gonna say, how many folks do you see come through that, you know, are pretty routine? You know, there's some folks that you know keep the maintenance up on their car, and then there's some folks that don't take their car in until there's smoke coming out of the engine or whatnot. So uh is it a is there a balance, you know, especially for I feel like if people are coming to see you like at a gunsmith place, they're they're and we obviously we invest a lot of money in our firearms too. I was looking at what's down in your room. Like you have some pretty high dollar firearms down there. I mean different shotguns. Uh are folks pretty do they stay up on it? Most of your most of your customers?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. People range all over the place, right? Some guys, you know, it just a gun is a tool, and that's the way that they treat it, right? If the hammer's still hitting nails, what are we what are we thinking about fixing the hammer for, right? The a the if it ain't broke, don't fix it approach, as I like to call it. And there's a lot of those guys, and when we get their guns in, it's typically a you know several hundred dollar thing. We're looking at rust, we're looking at springs, potentially broken parts, let alone the wear items, the things that are just generally supposed to be repaired, replaced rather. But yeah, we have a tons and tons and tons of clients that come in once a year, every year, drop all of their guns off, spend, you know, a minimal amount because they're regularly maintained, and we we maintain their guns professionally, and it shows that it's really easy to clean because they've been cleaned.
SPEAKER_00:If the longer you wait, the harder it is. That's awesome. I know that you know, your obvious your expertise it's across all different types of firearms, and I'm sure up here you get a lot of different, you know, hunting shotguns, waterfowl upland, different things like that. Yeah. What are some of your like favorite guns to work on? And you know, maybe the ones that you like dread. You see it come in, you're like, oh, this one's gonna be a pain in the ass.
SPEAKER_01:Like uh, I'm gonna freaking piss some people off with this one, man. I I really enjoy working on anything well made, anything from the last. I don't know. There's models from all all over the spectrum. But Berettas, Benelli's are easy, a lot of the Brownings are pretty easy. Uh, most of the modern stuff is is pretty simple to work on, but there's a handful of things in certain modern gun designs. And like I said, I don't want to piss somebody off with this, but uh, like specifically the SX3, the SX4, the Browning Maxis, the Beretta 390, certain 3901s, they have a steel recoil tube in the back, and that steel recoil tube is one of those, it's inside the stock typically. That area inside the stock, guys, just it's out of sight, out of mind. And it gets full of water, it gets full of gunk, and that that turns into just a little microbiome full of rust, and that's uh that's always a pain.
SPEAKER_00:So I'm gonna give a little shout out to my buddy Caitlin, who is normally on for the Fowlers with me. And when I called you about a month ago, I was asking about hey, Grayson, help me figure out you know, the Beretta A400, the Benelli Super Black Eagle, and we were kind of talking about the difference and what we wanted there or what he wanted, and the reason why is because he is running, I think, the SX3 or the SX4, right? Totally. So hey Kate, and when you're when you listen to this, hey Grayson said, ditch it, get a Beretta or Benelli. They're they're a workhorse, no, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:They're they're all so good, but just the way that that the back end on those is set up, especially too that I mean you you combine the fact that they're just uh, you know, the way the gas system works, you just get a lot of gas and in those systems. And yeah, not main in maintained, they're all good, but for the amount of time guys go between maintaining typically those models I listed.
SPEAKER_00:For for sure. Yeah, you talked about just well-built, you know, shotguns, well-built equipment and stuff like that. Are newer shotgun uh like are newer shotguns still as well? Because you always hear like, hey, my great grandpa's gun, you know, has held up the test of time, right? Sure. But like, you know, what are your thoughts on like newer shotguns versus you know some of those classics, like as from your perspective, as far as working on them, intricacies of like the technology, stuff like that. What are your thoughts when it comes to you know working on those firearms? That's a great question.
SPEAKER_01:It's kind of nuanced, I think. I think the the newer shotguns are designed to be simpler. So like a Benelli, I can probably rip apart a Benelli in like 20 seconds on the bench, right? It's it's like super easy. Beretta, it's not much longer than that. Uh you know, all these guns, you know, even some of the Brownings and the Winchesters that I was just bitching about, they're they're simple too. But the the inclusion of a lot of polymer, the inclusion of a lot of you know different intentional wear items on these guns, it just creates things that just have to be replaced. I I think back in the day, I'll you know, just to use as an example, the Browning A5, you'll humpback steel frame A5, right? You open one of those up on the inside, and there's like 20 screws, there's like weird V springs. Um if you haven't ever looked inside one, it would be weird looking, you know, and those things are extremely robust. They're heavy as a boat anchor, but they're really, really, really tough, and they're really easy to work on because of that. But they're just different. I I honestly I I can't help but think about if you think about how many shells we shoot nowadays. I don't know if it's more or less than it used to be, but uh I I think about these, you know, like snow goose spreads, right? And you can shoot, you know, what is it, 20 snows in the late season, right? And these shells are so powerful now, right? Super high velocity, super heavy payload, which velocity isn't necessarily your friend, but all these things, right? So that we combine, you know, the strength of the shell and how light you know some of these guns are w with the volume that we're shooting, we're just smashing guns to pieces, right? Like it's it's really amazing to me. Not only yeah, not only do we have all these all these super high powerful shells that we're shooting nowadays, and the quantity of it, you think about you know these like for instance, you know, grandpa's old A5 or whatever, he was shooting like 1200 feet per second, two and three quarter inch lead fives, right? It's a very different shell than you know a three-inch ounce and three-eighths steel loader, you know, god forbid three and a half, whatever.
SPEAKER_00:So and I'm looking at you have a box of Kent Fast deals up here. That I had a question about these because you know, some of our listeners might be, you know, maybe get new into waterfowl hunting. You know, they got a shotgun right off the rack at their local local spot. And you know, I shoot Kent Fas deals through my Benelli. It's uh they seem to work great, pattern real well, everything's perfect on them. You know, 1300 feet per second, but I'm running a new choke this season, and the shell that I'm actually thinking about switching to is like 1450. So feet per second, it's like okay, I'm thinking about impact on on the game, you know, that I'm trying to harvest. Yeah, but what am I doing to my shotgun? You know, and I never really think of that as like, okay, the velocity, you know, is what kind of impact does that have into my shotgun, right? Sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean that's a great, great conversation. I'm I'm a student of Jimmy Muller. Muller choke tubes are are absolutely phenomenal, and I won't I won't shill his products here. But if you've if you've never heard him speak, he's been on a bunch of podcasts. We hope to have him on. I I'd love to chit chat with him for hours on end one day. But mm he has a saying, it's that speed doesn't kill birds, pellets kill birds. What what that means is there's only so much velocity that you need out of your shell before you start negatively impacting what your patterns are doing. More BBs, more pellets, meaning a heavier charge weight. That could mean going from an ounce and an eighth or an ounce and a quarter up to an ounce and three-eighths shell and dropping the velocity down a ton. You're you're gonna have so many more BBs downrange, you're gonna have such a better pattern because the velocities and the pressures are lower. Downrange performance is gonna be superb. Really, uh 1250 or a 1300 feet per second shell is is really great for all shot materials and all choke tubes, about 1300 feet per second cap is is great. 1400, you start seeing some some negative effects on the pattern. And and Jimmy's talked about this ad nauseum, and there's actually another really great YouTube series. If if people are listening and haven't heard it, the surviving duck season series. He has some really cool episodes on shot stringing. He rented that big old expensive camera. So yeah, man, it's it's really lovely seeing what you know shells are coming out now. This this box of Kent we have in front of us is it's the Fasuel 2.0, it's a 12 gauge three-inch shell. These are threes happen to be, but it's an ounce and three-eighths at 1300 feet per second. I have not patterned these in a gun yet, but I guarantee the patterns through most people's guns on average would be just absolutely superb.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I want to stick with the technology a little bit, and and I don't know if we're if we're getting away from the gunsmith part and getting more into like, hey, that'd be a question for like the firearm rep, but you know, I'm curious with all like this technology that's coming out. Like, like I said, I'm a Benelli guy through and through, whether it's you know, my SB3 or you know, you were just messing with my Frankie downstairs. So I'm a loyal Benelli guy, but I'm always curious, like some of this like technology that's out there, you know, specifically with them, like you know, the advanced impact, the the AI, you know, the barrel and you know, their coding and stuff like that. Like, how much of a difference does that kind of stuff make? You know, like how much of it, you know, that whole example of the arrow or the Indian? Does that stuff really make and we're talking about shells here? We're talking, you know, does it make that big of a difference? Because like at the end of the day, I mean, a regular super black eagle off the shelf's like tw 2,000 to 2200. Now you start adding this stuff up, you're upwards of three grand, you know. Totally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah. I uh in my opinion, there's there's a handful of things that really, really matter. Yeah. The gun definitely matters. The gun geometry, the way the barrel is, the the chamber dimensions, the the forcing cone, the actual nominal bore diameter, which varies all over the board from manufacturer to manufacturer, the choke tube itself. The gun matters for sure, in as far as the way it patterns. The technology is interesting to bring up. I don't want to stifle or or dissuade anybody from buying anything, but I or dissuade any companies from inventing new stuff, right?
SPEAKER_00:I want them to push the envelope, but let me ask it a different way because obviously I see like most of the things we see, new camo patterns coming out, you know, different, you know, recoil technology to make it a more comfortable shot. Is the technology like the overall build of the gun, you know, when we look at like trigger assembly, the things that like kind of you would mess with, does that stuff change much? Like, you know, with like these newer guns coming out, or is it kind of like the same setup, you know, like uh doing semi-auto?
SPEAKER_01:Is it uh are we making improvements? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it is it meaningful? Well, back to what I was saying, I like so like the AI barrel, for instance. It's the marketing is saying like what 40% more penetration or 60% additional penetration at any given yardage. As soon as I saw that, I was like, yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense. I saw a video recently, a guy he got his hands on one of those AI guns and put it on ballistics gelatin, and yeah, no difference. It's it's the same. There are certain things that do matter, and these newer guns, they do have a lot of things in them that really do matter. Pick up my super black Eagle 1 downstairs and put a three and a half inch shell through it, and then pick up my super black Eagle 2 and do the same thing, and then pick up a super black Eagle 3 and do the same thing. It's gonna hit you every time, but the difference between the three and that one is dramatic. The three has dramatically less recoil. Patterning, I think the AI barrel probably has something to do with one continuous giant forcing cone all the way to the end of the gun. I haven't seen one yet, but uh could that positively affect patterns? Sure, not in the way that they're describing.
SPEAKER_00:But and and I don't want to call it I mean it's marketing, right? At the end of the day, they're looking to sell more, sell more uh that's that's their business. But I guess for me, like when I think about like, okay, what's I look at like my super black eagle, that's probably the last shotgun I'll ever need to buy. You know, I love that thing. But you know, if I'm looking at like if Benelli were to come out and say, like, hey, you know, we have better, you know, internal sell like with springs and actions and cycling and different things, like those are the things that I'm more interested in. Not a new camo pattern, not a you know, a tighter barrel, like the things that I come in and see you about where it's like I'm out in the field and shells aren't cycling properly, right? Like I know that that's an issue versus you know, my spread wasn't as tight through this bar, you know what I mean? Like unless we're looking at a board, a patterning board, I'm not gonna know. Or have I if I have one of those shot cams on the end end of my gun, I'm not gonna know the difference. So yeah, I'm always curious about that. It's kind of one of those examples. I always think, like, you know, and we're both sitting here with our beards, but like, you know, Gillette, right? Gillette is like the market leader when it comes to razors, but still every year there's a new razor coming out. It's like, how many times are you gonna reinvent the razor? Yeah, so I just keep I keep waiting for the super black eagle four. And I was listening to another podcast, and they had the Benelli rep on, and I know there's some exciting stuff coming, so who knows? Like maybe they'll get me. You know, I'm a Bennelly guy, so we'll run on, man. So I want to talk a little maintenance 101, and and a lot of this stuff is obviously we want people to come in here, see you, you know, you're the expert, but at the same time, there's things that we can do kind of at home, out in the field that will keep our gun with us more longer. So that way, you know, we take it to you end of season, you do the tune-up, stuff like that. But how about some preventative care that you know some of us hunters can do, you know, before, during, and after the season?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it depends on kind of your situation. If you end up back at home base, some guys hunt at a club where they don't have a ton of resources necessarily with them. Some guys hunt at a club where they got all the resources, some guys hunt the refuge where they have nothing at the refuge. Before season, I I mean, if you're not gonna come see a gunsmith and have the gun, you know, fully done up. It's basic cleaning, fully tear the gun down. Don't be scared. If you lose something, you lose something. But most of these guns are simple enough now where you can keep track of everything pretty well. Turn the gun.
SPEAKER_00:You guys do that here too, right? You guys will do a full extensive cleaning, all that stuff, right?
SPEAKER_01:Tot totally full services are are are a normal thing. Yeah, fully turn the gun down, hot water and simple green and toothbrush and just getting after it, getting all that gunk out of there, really rinsing it off really, really well, blowing it out with some air or or air drying it good, and then lubricating it lightly in the in the critical areas. That's all it takes for before season. If you're not going to tear it down during season, just make sure the gun's you know lubricated enough, not overdoing it. Like we said, we were talking about it down there. Just anywhere where there's metal on metal, inside the bolt, anywhere where your magazine or plunger ride, making sure your magazine inside the magazine is not getting too awful rusty with that spring. And then if it rains heavy, I know it sucks when you get home and you're just tired. Let the gun air out, man. Lightly lubricate it. Don't let it sit wet. That'll that'll result in some crappy stuff, especially during season, making sure your choke tubes, you know, stay in greased, you know, graphite or copper-based anti-Cs is what we use. And then after season, you just rode it hard. Make sure you don't put it away wet, you know, just making sure you do them kind of the same stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Nice. And um, does that change, like for instance? I feel like we're talking a lot about semi-autos, but obviously there's a group of folks out there that still love you know the trusty old pump. You know, is it a little less maintenance, obviously less parts, stuff like that, or still kind of the same thing? Make sure you, you know, obviously if it rains, you know, let it dry out. If you submerge it, let it dry out, all that kind of stuff. But you know, and any main differences between a semi-auto and a pump when it comes to that quick maintenance?
SPEAKER_01:Pumps are easy, man. Pumps are are beloved for a reason. Pop that mag cap off, pull the barrel off, pull the bolt out, drop the trigger group. You got it all, man. There's no gas to think about, there's no real big giant springs. Same same concepts, just making sure it's clean and lubricated, but even less of a reason with pump guns not to miss maintenance, you know.
SPEAKER_00:You gotta so speaking of maintenance and especially out in the field, like what are what do you recommend that like we carry in our blind bag here? I I mean I carry basically like a leatherman, and that's kind of about it, but for the most part, you know, what what are some things do you recommend that we kind of keep in our blind bag? You know, oil, stuff like that. What do you what do you recommend?
SPEAKER_01:I really started carrying around a handful of things about five years ago that that really changed the game. A little a little oil, a little tiny bottle of oil. We carry the the CLP, the break-free products, as well as slip 2000 products, but just a little tiny, tiny bottle of oil, it can go a long way. I started carrying around a leatherman as well. I'm just making sure that you've got anything. I mean, it could be a freaking ballpoint pen, whatever, to punch your trigger group pin out to to clear out if you if you fall in the in the some kind of seeds or something, you know, some kind of flowery seed gets in your gun. That happens all the time. One of the worst things is like some of these, you know, buffered heavy shells, right? They have a kind of a flack style buffer. When those things, you know, go off. Sometimes you end up with all those little seeds everywhere in your gun, and that can be hell. So making sure you have a way to get those out. And then here's the pocket pick. Here's the secret sauce. Carry around a little canister of keyboard compressed air. A little bit of tiny compressed air with a little nozzle. You can blow out a lot of stuff from your trigger group without having to pull anything apart. I carry around 10 Q tips, handful of toothpicks, whatever, mostly actually for other people's guns. But but yeah, yeah, a little bit of compressed air and some lubrication will get you a freaking long way.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's good to hear because obviously I was asking you downstairs, I'm like, you know, take it apart, use my toothbrush, and all that ask, like, hey, am I doing any damage by using an air compressor? Like, no, that's your best friend right there. So same thing. That's awesome. You know, I want to just kind of uh off that same note, you know, some quick field fixes that we should all know. You know, a couple examples here, maybe, you know, you drop your gun, get a little mud in the barrel, you know, or you submerge your gun during a hunt. Like, how big of a deal is that? You know, can you finish your hunt, you know, or is it like, hey, no, guns done for the day? You know, can you talk a little bit about that?
SPEAKER_01:Definitely. Number one thing if you drop your gun in the water, is you gotta pull it all the way apart. There's no getting around that. If you're doing it in the blind or the boat or at the launch ramp or in the truck, however you gotta do it, party on if you got enough time to tear it all the way down and do a full inspection and get back to it, and by all means, but there's a few things you gotta do.
SPEAKER_00:And what should we be looking for? And sorry to cut you off. No, why is that?
SPEAKER_01:So this is super exciting stuff. Well, it's duck season, we're talking about guns and gear and that that stuff's super nerdy and fun. But bottom line is safety, man. Okay. And and every single time I go out, I'm making sure that my my barrel is not bulged, I'm making sure my shells are dry, I'm making sure that I mean all the way down to like, you know, my muzzle being pointed in the safe direction. All the hunter safety basics, right? So we just can't forget that. It's really easy to in a scramble. Oh, I drew a number one res, you know, I dropped my gun in the water and get pissed. Safety's got to come first, man. And it's really easy to have something bad happen. Case in point, I should have brought a couple up here. I got a collection of exploded barrels downstairs.
SPEAKER_00:I'll check that out before I leave. I was just going to bring that up.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely take a couple pictures for socials or whatever. But yeah, guys will, you know, get what's called a squib round sometimes, and that can cause a bulge, but dropping your gun in the water is an even faster way to do this. You pull the trigger, you've got some kind of bore obstruction. If you don't explode your action from being extremely overgassed, what'll typically happen is you'll you'll pull so much pressure inside the barrel that you'll push giant bulge out into your barrel, and that'll cause an extremely weak spot in that area. And if you continue shooting, who knows what could happen? God forbid you get another malfunction someday, and then you could really hurt yourself or somebody around you in short order. So if you drop your gun in the water, water in the action, water in the barrel, mud, even worse, all of that can lead to extremely unsafe chamber pressures, extremely unsafe, you know, barrel conditions. And seriously, the the danger is high. So if you drop your gun in the water, first things first, unload the gun. Completely unload the gun. Second thing, take your gun apart to whatever you feel is safe. If you don't feel safe, give me a call here at the shop if you're anywhere close to here. I'll I'll either walk you through it or I'll uh I'll if you can drop it by, I'll I'll tear it down for you quick and just get you back in the fight. But you gotta make sure your barrel's completely clear and dry. You gotta make sure your gas system's completely clear and dry. We can't have any water anywhere in the trigger group or in the bolt or anything like that. We just don't want that water getting back into the chamber anywhere where it can cause additional problems. If you can get it all the way apart and you can verify everything is completely dry, completely free of obstruction, and you've got shells that are that are still good, you know, just it's there's always a bit of a chance, you know, after you do that if you haven't had it professionally inspected. So take that chance at your own risk. But especially if you can get it all the way dry, free of obstruction, you should be in pretty good to go shape.
SPEAKER_00:So I just want to mention, you know, mentioned safety and all that stuff. And especially if you're coming here, you know, after a hunt, maybe the hunt didn't go the right way, you know, your gun's malfunctioning, you know, you dropped it, whatever, you're gonna come see Grayson on your way home. Make sure, do us all a favor, make sure that gun's unloaded before you bring it into the shop, too. Just a call out there. Because I know I've heard stories in the past where you know they bring it in, first thing you do, check it, and you're like, live rounds in here. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, just a little safety shot out there.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely make sure we're uh and it honestly, uh, you know, sometimes guy like I actually stopped at a guy's house on Sutter today. He called me today. I was out and about actually, so it worked out. But he was like, hey man, I got a 410. There's a shell stuck in it. Can I bring that into you? I said, Where's it stuck? He's like, in the chamber. I said, Can you shoot the round out of the chamber? And he's like, Nope. Uh and I was like, Okay, well, I'm out and about, I'll stop by and I actually cleared the gun for him, and he's gonna bring that in and drop it off. But it's one of those things, if you can't get the gun safe, call me and we'll we'll work out a strategy in order to make sure everybody stays safe.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect. So I want to talk a little bit about like some of this customization of like our shotguns and firearms, and specifically some of the like the great things that you guys are doing here at your shop. You know, maybe you could talk a little bit about some of like the modifications or upgrades that you're seeing out there for duck guns these days, you know, specifically around like aftermarket parts. And I know we talked a little bit about the technology, but you know, a couple of the examples I put on here, and you know, you've seen these trigger shoes, you know, different bolt handles, stuff like that. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about those parts and how that applies to your world.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the core gun is gonna be the the most important part and the way the way the gun cycles and you know the way it patterns and all that. But there are there are a lot of great upgrades, and there's a lot of things that we as hunters interact with on the gun, right? Charging the bolt, releasing the bolt, loading shells in, right? We did a modification on your Fronky just a second ago, right, to make the shells way easier to load. You brought it in, it was like, dude, you gotta be Hercules to put a frickin' shell in this mag. And so we soften that up a ton, right? Makes the gun just more pleasurable to operate and simpler and easier. Sometimes if you got kids too, or or women who aren't as used to anybody not used to running a gun, right? You know, bigger, bigger charging handles, bigger releases, etc. are huge. Biggest mods are gonna be, you know, choke tubes, and that's just an easy one. We talked about Muller, but Briley choke tubes are excellent. Indian Creek, Jebs, Kicks, Carlson's. Not not the biggest fan of Pattern Master myself, but yeah, whatever, whatever you can get into. Uh the camo, the Seracote. Seracote is just a freaking wonderful choice for a duck gun. Super, super tough, super durable. We can customize it. So if you want your logo, you want a camo pattern, you want whatever, we can do all that. Seracote's also just a great protectant of the farm.
SPEAKER_00:So that's what I was gonna say, because I'm familiar with Cerakote, and maybe some of our listeners are not, but obviously, you know, it's it's more than just the look. It obviously, like you just mentioned, that protectant, right? It's like that ceramic seal. Um just especially for some of us that you know may be a little hard on them, like you know, we're out in the refuge or whatnot, or maybe hunting down Delta, the bay, totally it might be so and you guys are offering that here at the shop, correct? All in-house, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, and then you know, uh, we were talking a little bit earlier about some of the different and might be around the same, you know, the camo and dipping and all that, but some of the different things that you offer here, you know, I don't want to call it painting the gun, but you know, the different finishes that you're offering here. Yeah, yeah. A little bit about that and what that process looks like, and you know, maybe you know, how long that takes to get done and certain things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, normal lead times at this point right now, or we're getting deeper into season two, two to four weeks, three to five weeks, depending on kind of exactly what we're looking at for for turnaround. So still well within season. Yeah, some bluing and parkerizing and and wood refinishing and all that. One one modification that we didn't talk about, I see it's the next point on the thing here, but it's fitting the shotgun.
SPEAKER_00:I know so, and I wanted to, because we were talking a little bit about listening to previous episodes of some other podcasts that you've been on, and I put on my notes here properly fitting because of your example about when you hop into a car, the first thing you do is adjust the seat. That's for you. So, yeah, let's talk a little bit about fitting. Because I know we were talking a little bit about for me downstairs, but yeah, let's talk about fitting and how you offer that here and how important that is. Totally.
SPEAKER_01:So we've talked about pattern a little bit, and that ties in really, really tightly with with gun fitting. So, how the gun patterns is gonna be basically if we draw a circle around the pattern, how even and how consistent and how full is that circle, right? We don't want big holes and patches in that circle. So we talk about shells, we talk about, you know, good geometry, we talk about choke tubes, as far as how good the pattern is. Well, anytime we start talking about, you know, adjusting the gun to fit you, we we can talk about moving that pattern as well. So if the gun shoots high or the gun shoots low when we shoot it on a patterning board, we can adjust the high and the low, and we can adjust the left and the right to an extent. So that's that's the first thing is moving that pattern on a patterning board to ensure that it's shooting exactly where we want it to shoot. When we point the gun, it hits where we aim it. But also, we were talking about you, you're a pretty big dude, right? Broad shoulders, kind of tall dude. That's a very different fit than for my girlfriend who's you know five foot five and thin as a rail, right? So the the the fitting side of stuff is is so it's so underappreciated in the average duck hunting in the average duck hunter's mind, I think. I don't think it's really fully understood just because the the culture of duck hunting, right? Like I was telling you this, right? The the way we approach deer rifles is you know, you you pick out a cartridge, like I'm gonna shoot a 30 odd six or 307 PRC or 65 PRC or whatever, right? Whatever cartridge is is in row in vogue. And then you're gonna pick out the the exact perfect round, and we're gonna pick out the perfect scope on all the mounts and the stock and the trigger and the action and the barrel. And we build custom rifles here too. So we have this conversation all the time, and we we go through all of this, and then you go out to the range and you spend all this time and money reloading, and that's all normal in the rifle world. In the shotgun world, however, you just whatever shotgun, whatever shells, go see what happens. There's no prep work. So the fitting of the shotgun is the prep work in the hunting world. It's it's step one when you buy a gun. Is there anything wrong with buying a gun and just going and trying to break a few clays or hit a couple birds? Maybe not, but there's an ethical quandary that comes with that, you know, not being as ethical on the birds as you could be. But also, you're not not just being as consistent as you could possibly be. And and that's a whole bag of worms.
SPEAKER_00:But it's it's interesting because just in the gun room here this evening, I was watching a couple customers, and we all go in, we go to the counter, we shoulder the gun, you know, all this stuff. Oh, perfect, great. I'll take that and give me a case of shells, and we're yeah, we're you know, after our waiting period, we're out at the blind with that gun, right? But to your point, I don't think I mean I I'd be curious to know how many folks actually pattern their guns, how many folks actually get fitted for it, you know. It's funny, I think to your point, going back to the rifle thing, it's like I I've been fitted before, but it's not something that I'm religious about. Sure. But it's like I get fitted for golf clubs. Like you know what I mean. Like you get fitted for shoes at some point in your life, right? They they put your foot on the little metal measuring thing. But I love waterfowl hunting more than anything, you know. Um it's funny, I I play at a golf league back in Sacramento, and I basically don't play in the October, November, December tournaments and January because it's waterfowl season. So I'm spending my Saturdays on a golf course. I'm gonna be out in the duck blind. But you know, to your point, it's like, are we doing the work to be most successful? But also you hit it around the head to be most ethical too, right? Right. Are we putting as many BBs on to make that most ethical harvest, that most ethical shot that we're we're eliminating cripples, we're eliminating sailing birds, like we just want to knock them stone dead right there. You know, let Rocky go, you know, we're looking at Rocky down here who's dead asleep, right? Um got Grayson's pup under us here. But you know, put them on the birds, bring them back, and it's a great day. So totally. Well, right on, let's take a peek here. So, how about we talk a little bit about some of the things that you've seen in the shop over the years? Do you have any like crazy repair stories, or um maybe to kind of put it this way, like what's the worst thing that you've seen a customer ever do to a shotgun?
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna I mean I've got like four or five that are just exceptional stories, but the most recent one, and this one just I'm rubbing my temple right now for the listeners, right? This one was truly mind-blowing. So this is about a two-minute story. So this guy comes in and he's got this beautiful old Benelli M1 Super 90, and it's a 20 gauge, and yeah, I'm I'm a Benelli guy, and so I'm just like, yeah, right. And he calls me, he says, Hey, I'm an old man. I got this Benelli 20 gauge. I need to get it fitted for my daughter. I've put a wolf spring in this gun, or in other guns rather, and I just want to make sure this gun's good to go. For my granddaughter, I want to make sure that she has a good experience shooting it. Can we make sure the gun's kind of set to go? I'm like, no problem. This is probably a pretty quick and easy thing. Just come down to the shop and we'll just get that done for you, real quick, right? And he shows up and the gun is not beat up at all. I'm like, yeah, man, nice. Yeah, let's let's check it out. And so we we we pop the gun apart and I'm looking at the spring, and I'm actually like, oh, this is the spring's actually pretty pretty strong, but let me make sure that it's serviced back there. So I go to I go to take the back off and I pop the stock off, and I'm I'm going to pop the nut off the recoil tube, and I notice that it's not budging, and I'm like, okay, not uncommon, a little bit of rust, real season. So we put some heat on it, and it's still not budging. And I'm like, huh? I've done this a lot, right? Typically, it's not this gnarly. And I I put a lot more heat on it to kind of to the edge of where I'm comfortable, and I I put my foot on the bench and yank, and it comes undone, and I'm like, wow, this thing is freaking stuck. Well, this was the first clue. I say, hey man, did you put Loctite on this? This is not something that we normally want to put Loctite on. This is this is actually a greaseable part. He goes, No, I didn't put Loctite on there. I was like, Oh, well, there is Loctite on here. So I did somebody else do it? He goes, No, no, no. I put Loctite somewhere else on the gun. It's like, where'd you put the Loctite? And there shouldn't be Loctite anywhere, anywhere, but why, why some where else? He said, Well, I was at this this clay competition, and I brought this gun, and I noticed that this guy next to me, he had this big giant fancy Pirazzi, and he had his badass sunglasses on and his cool vest with his name on it. And he noticed me continually tightening my choke tube, and he's like, Hey man, put some Loctite on that. And so I did. And I I looked at him, I said, You put Loctite on your choke tube? He goes, Yeah, yeah. And I go and I look, and at this point it dawns on me. He put about what I'm gonna estimate to be an entire bottle of red Loctite on his choke tube, and he put so much it ran all the way down the barrel from the choke tube, all the way through the bolt, through the entire trigger group, welled up at the bottom of the receiver, all of that red Loctite then proceeded to drip down through the recoil tube assembly and pulled up at the very bottom of the bolt, which was the last place it could be caught, and that is where I found it. From there, I then explored the rest of the gun and found Loctite everywhere. His choke tube was stuck.
SPEAKER_00:So I have to ask. That's a crazy story. And and it's funny some of the things we get influenced to do, you know. But I have to ask, because if he's at these competitions, was it a parazi or like do you remember what what brand gun? Like, was this a ten thousand dollar gun that he was messing with?
SPEAKER_01:Do you remember? Or the guy, the other guy was shooting a pirazzi, the one that he the the customer brought in was that Benelli. Oh, it was it was an M1 super 90, which you know the little 20 gauge, but no, it was it was an impressive one for sure. And I I think I might have audibly said out loud, oh no. Yeah, I might I might have said oh no. Yeah, but yeah, no, that was an incredible one. I found a baby bird inside of a Beretta A400 receiver on opening day a couple years ago. Guy brought in a Remington 870 and wouldn't cycle every time he pumped it, something weird would happen. He had about 75 cents in loose change inside the action. I've had to beat gas guns apart with mallets and big old hammers many times. Man, that's we've seen a little bit of everything.
SPEAKER_00:That's crazy. Yeah, that's insane. Uh, you know, let me ask you this, and I'm curious because obviously those are kind of those crazy, crazy stories, but you what is like your most memorable like project or build like that you've done for a customer? Anything that stands out, you know, like the the positive vibe or uh Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I I honestly I I really really enjoy the gun I built for John Sandbeck, the rat rod, filthy spoon guy, that 12 gauge lefty. That gun just came out crazy. My girlfriend did a custom honky tonkin leather strap for that with the ducks. That one turned out really cool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'm actually doing one for I went out to the uh the calling contest or like he calls it duck days, and he had it out there, and that's just a beautiful piece of machinery that you put together. And then obviously the leather strap that looks old school. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I I also really like this one we're doing for duck chugger right now. He uh John John Story, he uh he's a cool dude, and we're doing his Beretta A400 light, it's a 20 gauge, and it was all camo. That thing was freaking hammered, and we're just about done with it. We'll still need to do a little more choke work on it, but uh full Cerako job. He he did the whole thing green, just everything green, and it is such a cool build. Those little 400 lights are such a cool platform. Discontinued for a reason, but when you when you got one, those those are a really unique, cool gun. I really love that one too.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, shout out Duck Chugger. When I started this Instagram page and this podcast, he was like one of the first guys to follow, and he's been awesome to engage with. I have not actually met him yet, so uh hopefully one day soon connect with him. But yeah, shout out John. Um talk about his gardening, dude. Oh, for sure. I follow him on Instagram, and uh it's an amazing uh adventure he's got going over there. What a dude. What a cool dude. Yeah. So yeah, these next few questions are pretty quick. You know, I'm just curious. You know, what is your your personal favorite duck gun of all time?
SPEAKER_01:My I'm I'm just an absolute sub gauge guy. I I shoot a 12 gauge sometimes, but very rarely. We're doing a lot of 410 experimentation this year, 20 gauges in general. My favorite of all time is the Benelli M220 gauge. Okay, there's a lot of there's a lot of very similar guns to that. The new M220 gauge, the Franki Affinity 3 in a 20 gauge, the you know, the older M1s, there's there's a handful of Berettas that honestly kind of have similar feel. The A400 Explorer, I really like that gun as well. I for whatever reason though, the M220 gauge, me and my buddies all all have them, and we just I that gun points, feels the balance, how simple they are to maintain, just never a problem.
SPEAKER_00:And I've always been a 12-gauge guy, but you know, I'm looking at right here my 20 gauge that I picked up from you today. So sweet. Yeah, it's a sweet gun, man. And yeah, I'm actually looking forward to getting that out in the field here very shortly. So yeah, full custom Rob Roberts build, man. Yeah, shout out California Waterfowl. I actually got that one at one of their banquets uh down in Sacramento, and we were talking earlier. I love supporting California Waterfowl, and obviously it works out when we're able to get you know a beautiful piece of uh machinery like that one there. And yeah, it's just beautiful gun. Totally, man. So I don't want to get you in trouble here, but uh you know, but I've already done that. I am curious, what is the what's the most overrated brand? And and like I said, how about this? Maybe the most underrated, the most overrated and the most underrated. I I think and let's just keep it factual. Like you see, like you see all brands come through here, and you're like, oh, once again, I have brand X coming through, and I sh why am I surprised, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, sure. I well, so I I can't say they're overrated just because they're I I think they're accurately rated for the most part. Overrated is tough. I think I think people have a pretty good grip on that, but one one that kind of still kind of bugs me is that we don't have, and I'm just sending out the bat signal to all my industry people, right? Can can somebody make a decent 410 automatic for the love of God. I I I shoot an 870 lightweight 410 pump, but I mean the old 1100s, uh, I mean, there's everybody shooting over and unders right now because there's no there's no auto. That being said, the only auto on the market in a 410 is that tristar platform, the uh Mossberg SA410, the Weatherby SA410. They are all the exact same gun marketed by three different companies, TriStar, Weatherby, and Mossberg, and those things. Chambers are out around, gas is weird, they break locking blocks all the time and in other gauges. I see a lot of those that just freaking come apart. Underrated brand though, Fab Arm. I don't know if you've ever handled it, handled a Fab Arm, man. So they're they're very old. Fab Arm is making some super cool stuff. We've had a handful get sold here. One of our employees, Christian, ended up with a 12 gauge three-inch gun from them. Dude, impressive, impressive, kind of a a beretta in feel, real deep fore-end, just wicked smooth. Uh, they're fantastic gas systems, nickel-plated in internals, really cool.
SPEAKER_00:Is that something they keep on on hand here at the shop?
SPEAKER_01:Or is that we should we should. We don't have any in stock right now. I don't I don't actually know what uh what ordering is like through them right now, but Fab Arm, the other company that I really want to see kind of step up, Fab Arm being made in Italy, the other one out of Italy, kind of the fourth B brand would be Brita or Breda, B-R-E-D-A. They make us a handful of really cool kind of Benelli style inertia shotguns as well. And I think competition is healthy. Yeah, and they're they're doing a great job.
SPEAKER_00:For sure. I know we talked a little bit about this, but what's one cleaning mistake that just drives you nuts? You know, I mean, obviously they were talking about the Loctite and stuff like that, but what are what's something we're like? I wish I'll tell the listeners to say, hey, don't do this. You know, what's something that we're we're doing out there? What's a common mistake?
SPEAKER_01:Don't be afraid to pop your trigger guard out if you're trying to clean your gun. Popping your trigger guard out is so easy. Typically, it's one or two pins. Guys love to swab their barrel out or try to just spray stuff inside the action. Most of the time, that's not going to get you very far. Swabbing your barrel out's a great thing, and making sure your action cleans is a great thing. But really, your trigger group, your recoil system, and your bolt are the most important stuff. So don't don't be scared. Don't be don't be afraid. Watch a YouTube video, pony up with a beer or whatever you need, and get down to it. Typically only takes 15 minutes.
SPEAKER_00:For sure. And then here's kind of a fun one. Russians say fun, but what's the best way to ruin your shotgun in five seconds? Not that we're trying to, but what's one thing that we should just absolutely avoid doing?
SPEAKER_01:If you pull up and you pull the trigger and you hear something funky, pulling the trigger again will ruin your shotgun pretty quick. Squib loads, like I said, I got a collection of totaled barrels. Barrels are 500 to a grand, and I just see guys blowing them up all the time, whether they got you know water in there or mud or a wad from a squib load. I just see it all the time. If you hear something funky, if it doesn't feel right, just stop shooting. For sure.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, we're gonna wrap it up here, man. I really appreciate, you know, obviously your time showing me around the shop here, you know, the work that you've done on, you know, my shotguns.
SPEAKER_01:But you got it, man.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I know I asked you earlier, but maybe you can kind of tell the listeners once again how they can find you. And uh, you know, I know I asked, I think I asked, you know, are you drop-in only? You can also ship here, you know, so just maybe reach out to you on Instagram. Is that the best way to get a hold of you?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, give me a call. 530-966-2321 is the Field and Range Solutions cell phone. You can also call Kittles and dial the gunsmith line. Where we operate out of the back of the Kittles building here in Calusa at 888 Market Street. Lots to look at in here, so swing by anytime and chit-chat with us. If I'm not here, typically the gun room can still get you taken care of. It can still check your gun in, check your gun out, get you rung up, all that kind of good stuff. But yeah, follow us on Instagram, Field and Range Solutions. We should post a lot more.
SPEAKER_00:But you're busy, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot to keep up with. But yeah, Field and Range Solutions on Instagram. Follow, follow Kittle's Outdoor as well on Instagram. And yeah, keep it up on the socials and and drop them by and and just uh Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like I said, come say hi to Grayson and one more time. What's your apprentice's name? Dalton. Dalton, come say hi to Dalton. Come say what up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The man with the mustache.
SPEAKER_00:I love it. Um well, right on Grayson, once again, man. Thanks for uh coming on for the Fowlers and once again for all the listeners. Make sure you're following us on uh Instagram at ForTheFowlers and you know leave those comments, rate and review us on Spotify, Apple, and once again we're still on YouTube as well. So yeah, appreciate uh all the support, and we will talk to you next time.